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	<title>Comments on: Hauling Freight with the Orange Live Steamers Part 1</title>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
		<link>http://www.modeltrainsnthings.com/2009/01/29/hauling-freight-with-the-orange-live-steamers-part-1/#comment-7716</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Nov 2010 14:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Post-1963 the only 38s in green were 3801 (painted Green after overhaul, was black 1954-62), 3813 (only loco never painted black) and 3830 (black 1955-61, painted Olive Green in 1961, painted in 1949 Green in 1966). 

ALL 38s were delivered in works Grey, and after a period of running in were forwarded to Eveleigh Carriage Works for painting. The non-streamliners were either Green with a Black smokebox, or all Green. 3806 and 3819 are two which, according to photographic evidence, carried both schemes. It might also be worth noting that photographic evidence exists that shows each and every 38 in their original Green. 3808 and 3813 were the last two to receive Green repaints, 08 for Royal Train duties (see the Belbin Video &#039;Days of Steam&#039;) and 13 for the NSWGR Centenary celebrations.

As a matter of interest, 3807 was the first to be painted black, in 1954 for Pilot duties on the Royal Train. It was the only 38 to carry red and buff lining with the Black - this lining pattern was generally only used on the Green locomotives, as the Black locomotives were lined in Signal Red only. 3819 was the last to be painted Black, in 1957. 3804 is also noted as having been painted in Unlined Black for a short period. Interestingly, 3830 ran for a brief time in 1960 with only Red lining on the lower valance, and boiler bands.

To summarise, and to make it absolutely clear, ALL the 38s were Green, and for a period of about 5 years (1949, when 3830 was first painted, to 1954, when 3807 was painted black) ALL were GREEN at the same time.

Stuart I highly suggest purchasing the book &#039;38&#039;, by John Thompson and published by Eveleigh Press, and &#039;Flyer&#039;, by the NSWRTM. Really the two biblical texts on the 38s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Post-1963 the only 38s in green were 3801 (painted Green after overhaul, was black 1954-62), 3813 (only loco never painted black) and 3830 (black 1955-61, painted Olive Green in 1961, painted in 1949 Green in 1966). </p>
<p>ALL 38s were delivered in works Grey, and after a period of running in were forwarded to Eveleigh Carriage Works for painting. The non-streamliners were either Green with a Black smokebox, or all Green. 3806 and 3819 are two which, according to photographic evidence, carried both schemes. It might also be worth noting that photographic evidence exists that shows each and every 38 in their original Green. 3808 and 3813 were the last two to receive Green repaints, 08 for Royal Train duties (see the Belbin Video &#8216;Days of Steam&#8217;) and 13 for the NSWGR Centenary celebrations.</p>
<p>As a matter of interest, 3807 was the first to be painted black, in 1954 for Pilot duties on the Royal Train. It was the only 38 to carry red and buff lining with the Black &#8211; this lining pattern was generally only used on the Green locomotives, as the Black locomotives were lined in Signal Red only. 3819 was the last to be painted Black, in 1957. 3804 is also noted as having been painted in Unlined Black for a short period. Interestingly, 3830 ran for a brief time in 1960 with only Red lining on the lower valance, and boiler bands.</p>
<p>To summarise, and to make it absolutely clear, ALL the 38s were Green, and for a period of about 5 years (1949, when 3830 was first painted, to 1954, when 3807 was painted black) ALL were GREEN at the same time.</p>
<p>Stuart I highly suggest purchasing the book &#8217;38&#8242;, by John Thompson and published by Eveleigh Press, and &#8216;Flyer&#8217;, by the NSWRTM. Really the two biblical texts on the 38s.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.modeltrainsnthings.com/2009/01/29/hauling-freight-with-the-orange-live-steamers-part-1/#comment-3092</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>3801, 3803, 3805, 3807, 3813, 3819, 3822, 3825, 3827 and 3830. 3820 WAS green at one stage. This statement is from NSWRTM ROUNDHOuSE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3801, 3803, 3805, 3807, 3813, 3819, 3822, 3825, 3827 and 3830. 3820 WAS green at one stage. This statement is from NSWRTM ROUNDHOuSE</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.modeltrainsnthings.com/2009/01/29/hauling-freight-with-the-orange-live-steamers-part-1/#comment-2516</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 22:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stand corrected - I note that Leon Oberg on page 185 of his Locomotives of Australia book says that all of the class carried a green livery at some stage of their lives.

Stuart</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stand corrected &#8211; I note that Leon Oberg on page 185 of his Locomotives of Australia book says that all of the class carried a green livery at some stage of their lives.</p>
<p>Stuart</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 22:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I beg to differ once more, more then 3 38&#039;s were painted green at some stage of their life within NSWGR service, with most being painted green.

3801, 3803, 3805, 3807, 3813, 3819, 3827 and 3830 are all locomotives I have seen images of being painted green. The livery 3807 is painted in is based on multiple photographs of the locomotive painted in the green livery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I beg to differ once more, more then 3 38&#8242;s were painted green at some stage of their life within NSWGR service, with most being painted green.</p>
<p>3801, 3803, 3805, 3807, 3813, 3819, 3827 and 3830 are all locomotives I have seen images of being painted green. The livery 3807 is painted in is based on multiple photographs of the locomotive painted in the green livery.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to disagree with you there Nathan but there were only three  38s that were painted green in real life - 3801, 3913 and 3830. The remainder of the class were black.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to disagree with you there Nathan but there were only three  38s that were painted green in real life &#8211; 3801, 3913 and 3830. The remainder of the class were black.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re 3807: All the 38s were green, and that model represents 07 as first painted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re 3807: All the 38s were green, and that model represents 07 as first painted.</p>
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